Pickled politicking

[Mega Matt]

So I notice there are a lot of smart people here. Anyone studying or interested in politics? What do you think about the US Election or soundbytes in general lately? Edited August 20, 2016 by Burning_man

[Guest Missy]

Which debates? Dems or GOP? Lots of opinions abound as to fairness of moderators. However, I must warn you. Mama taught me never to discuss religion or politics because it kinda tends to offend somebody. LOL

[Mega Matt]

This forum has many members from all over the world. You may want to clarify what particular area of politics you are referring to.

 

 

 

Good point Rosie

[Mega Matt]

Which debates? Dems or GOP? Lots of opinions abound as to fairness of moderators. However, I must warn you. Mama taught me never to discuss religion or politics because it kinda tends to offend somebody. LOL

Hahaa, I'm thinking either party really

[Guest Mr TwitchPool]

I refuse to discuss 3 areas,  Sports, Politics and Religion,  Normally always ends in arguments. 

[Mega Matt]

I refuse to discuss 3 areas,  Sports, Politics and Religion,  Normally always ends in arguments.

 

Ahh, alright

[Mega Matt]

So the primaries are over and now it's Donald, Hillary, Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, etc.

 

Thoughts about the race at this new point?

[Guest annemarie]

i'm a feminist, so i'm in the same boat as the first guy. trying to get people to understand why saying "not all men", calling people "crazy" or "psychotic", or telling someone that something they've said is even a little homophobic, you're going to end in a fight. people are very close-minded and unwilling to change behaviors they consider unproblematic or even fun. so yeah. while i do enjoy discussing politics, i'm gonna leave this to someone who you won't get into an argument with.

 

i will say this thought: trump is a piece of shit. and PLEASE, even if you don't like her, VOTE CLINTON. JUST PLEASE. we need to keep someone like trump out of the white house.

Edited August 20, 2016 by annemarie

[Guest algernon]

i'm a feminist, so i'm in the same boat as the first guy. trying to get people to understand why saying "not all men", calling people "crazy" or "psychotic", or telling someone that something they've said is even a little homophobic, you're going to end in a fight. people are very close-minded and unwilling to change behaviors they consider unproblematic or even fun. so yeah. while i do enjoy discussing politics, i'm gonna leave this to someone who you won't get into an argument with.

 

i will say this thought: trump is a piece of shit. and PLEASE, even if you don't like her, VOTE CLINTON. JUST PLEASE. we need to keep someone like trump out of the white house.

I can guarantee you'll see some different results with your discussions if you read through these first (https://imgur.com/gallery/n1VdV) and see how some may apply to both parts of your post there. And because tone translates poorly over text, that's supposed to be "helpful".

 

In my experience, anyone group of people can discuss any truly any topic and have only good come from it - as long as all parties are willing to do their own part to be calm and respectful. It's even completely possible for a discussion end without serious changes in the positions of any individuals, but still every party coming out the other side with a better understanding of the perspectives. What separates a discussion from a fight is not disagreement - it's disrespect, arrogance, anger. Of course everyone can still choose to not participate in a discussion (and they can do so free of judgement in my eyes), but to those I suggest instead of fallacious passive-aggressivism to heed the words of Thumper's father.

 

On the 2016 US presidential race:

There are some things other than "the issues" that absolutely don't matter (the picture of Hillary in blackface is a hoax - that's not her), things that matter enough to be discussed (Trump should release his tax records already and also just own up for Trump University and settle outside of court), and things of critical significance (Benghazi, the Clinton Foundation, the criminal activity with the private email servers, etc). For those who only care about or only want to discuss "the issues", here's a handy comparison of what each candidate actually wants to do: https://m.imgur.com/gallery/n1VdV

Edited August 20, 2016 by algernon

[Guest annemarie]

I can guarantee you'll see some different results with your discussions if you read through these first (https://imgur.com/gallery/n1VdV) and see how some may apply to both parts of your post there. And because tone translates poorly over text, that's supposed to be "helpful".

In my experience, anyone group of people can discuss any truly any topic and have only good come from it - as long as all parties are willing to do their own part to be calm and respectful. It's even completely possible for a discussion end without serious changes in the positions of any individuals, but still every party coming out the other side with a better understanding of the perspectives. What separates a discussion from a fight is not disagreement - it's disrespect, arrogance, anger. Of course everyone can still choose to not participate in a discussion (and they can do so free of judgement in my eyes), but to those I suggest instead of fallacious passive-aggressivism to heed the words of Thumper's father.

On the 2016 US presidential race:

There are some things other than "the issues" that absolutely don't matter (the picture of Hillary in blackface is a hoax - that's not her), things that matter enough to be discussed (Trump should release his tax records already and also just own up for Trump University and settle outside of court), and things of critical significance (Benghazi, the Clinton Foundation, the criminal activity with the private email servers, etc). For those who only care about or only want to discuss "the issues", here's a handy comparison of what each candidate actually wants to do: https://m.imgur.com/gallery/n1VdV

and that is exactly why I didn't want to say anything to begin with bc yup here we go. yeah I'm not continuing this conversation. I'm not interested in getting myself worked up if I don't have to.

[Michael]

I think Trump and Clinton are both pretty bad, one is insane and the other is corrupt, but I prefer Clinton because at least she's predictable. I'm not an American, so what matters most to me is which candidate is going to have the least harmful impact on foreign affairs. I think people are also ignoring how important the vice president's are this election. Both Trump and Clinton are pretty old, and they both have a history of doing  stupid things, so it's pretty likely that they'll either get impeached in some scandal, or suddenly die in office, and their vice president would become the president...

 

The good thing about both of these candidates being so terrible is that third party candidates are getting more exposure though. 

[Antoinette]

I'm English but I find what's happening in America to be absolutely, completely interesting, I'm also (not that it really matters) an anti-feminist. I completely and utterly hope Hillary is not voted in, she's anti-woman, a complete and utter liar (a dangerous liar who has caused people to lose their lives), while you may say Trump says some bad things this woman has literally defended a child rapist and laughed about it (sorry if this is triggering for some), she's practically the definition of establishment, gosh in general she's just a terrible person. Let's not forget her health issues either - a good president would probably work best if they are mentally and physically stable, I don't think Hillary is either.

Then again I do not think Trump is much better. I do think he is better, but I do not think he is in the least knowledgeable and that, of course, is a problem. If I were to have to choose the lesser of two evils (which of course, thank God, I don't)  I would choose Trump merely because I agree with him more than Hillary and I don't think he'd be as damaging. 

I am more right-leaning libertarian than anything and I think that Gary Johnson, while not perfect, is 100% better than Hillary and Trump, as well as Stein. If I had to urge anything, I would urge for more third-party exposure. Neither Trump nor Hillary will make good presidents, please for the love of God do not vote purely because you don't like immigrants or you want a female president. Not how it works, look at the bigger picture and stay skeptical.
 

Edited August 20, 2016 by xAntoinette

[DollDirector]

Apparently Rosie (quoted by Burning-man) has disappeared.

 

I think war is spreading and fascist powers are exerting influence,and we (not someone in little space of course) should certainly not forget this,even while reading more pleasant subjects on this site.

[Guest annemarie]

I'm English but I find what's happening in America to be absolutely, completely interesting, I'm also (not that it really matters) an anti-feminist. 

 

 

if you're anti-feminist, i'm not sure you know what the term means. and it completely matters you're anti-feminist. it's like saying, "well women are being raped, abused, and murdered by men every day. not to mention women of color and transwomen have it worse and we live in a society that shames not only them but all women for everything we do, but i don't think i experience it (spoiler alert: you do; there's still that sneaky little wage gap everyone likes to call false and no one likes to discuss, so if you've ever had a job, you're affected), so it doesn't matter."

 

being a woman and calling yourself anti-feminist is a very ignorant thing to say. it's like saying in a neighborhood of burning houses "well my house isn't on fire, so we clearly don't need a fire department."

 

but i'm going to stop now because i don't want to get labeled as the typical "angry man hating lesbian feminist" just for standing up for myself and other women (which is a phrase that is not only misogynistic but homophobic too), so bye. 

Edited August 21, 2016 by annemarie

[Guest rosie chan]

if you're anti-feminist, i'm not sure you know what the term means. and it completely matters you're anti-feminist. it's like saying, "well women are being raped, abused, and murdered by men every day. not to mention women of color and transwomen have it worse and we live in a society that shames not only them but all women for everything we do, but i don't think i experience it (spoiler alert: you do; there's still that sneaky little wage gap everyone likes to call false and no one likes to discuss, so if you've ever had a job, you're affected), so it doesn't matter."

 

being a woman and calling yourself anti-feminist is a very ignorant thing to say. it's like saying in a neighborhood of burning houses "well my house isn't on fire, so we clearly don't need a fire department."

 

but i'm going to stop now because i don't want to get labeled as the typical "angry man hating lesbian feminist" just for standing up for myself and other women (which is a phrase that is not only misogynistic but homophobic too), so bye.

amen. feminism is definitely important and necessary, a lot of people just don't know what it really means. I'm a feminist, for sure. just think this post needs more recognition. well said.

[Guest MissNMTX]

I'm American and I have a MA in Political Science. I've worked on many campaigns and live in a state where Gary Johnson used to be the Governor.  He has interesting opinions about women and young people in the political realm...This is my education, training, passion, and love.

 

Politics is personal and deeply felt.  If you really care to discuss feel free to message me privately.