Animals are our friends.

[Child Of Light]

I came across this video today and wondered what everyone else would think. I have a very fragile sensitive mind. And so the whole 'animals are our friends' -- and the thought of eating meat is very traumatizing for me

 

Here are some very basic YT videos (note: nothing graphic) explaining to kids why eating meat is bad.

 

"Why we don't eat meat [for kids]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QdaXcMpbP8I

 

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aTOBSoOqfUU (Little girl finding out what her food was and declaring never to eat it again)

 

I love when kids are so innocent and have such purity and sensitivity.

[Hurndauke]

It just depends on how you were raised, and your thoughts on such. Personally (not to offend anyone), I love meat, and will always eat it, but don't get me wrong I love being healthy!

[Child Of Light]

I don't know. I guess, if you tell a 5 year old "this ham comes from mr piggy out back" and explain to them me piggy is no longer living or their chicken nuggets are dev chickens etc. Most little kids have a hard time accepting that - no matter where they are from. Ive never seen a kid not get upset over being first told they are eating real animal. My point was how vonurable, sedative, pure, and innocent kids are.

 

I respect others' views -- but so glad my Dom also views that all life should be treated equal.

 

Hopefully these videos bring insight to others

[Hurndauke]

I make sure to buy the healthiest meat possible, I hate all the extra stuff that fast food companies and what not add into it. Just icky all in all, but yes, you make very valid points.

[Child Of Light]

But eating meat is murdering animals. So it's not 'not hurting anyone'. I guess, when I was told at age 7 and saw first hand what humans did. I couldn't help but cry -- and I still cry. It's horrific. Most kids have similar reactions -- anxiety, guilt, sense of remorse, but parents speak them through it justifying it.

[Mikaitaku]

But eating meat is murdering animals. So it's not 'not hurting anyone'. I guess, when I was told at age 7 and saw first hand what humans did. I couldn't help but cry -- and I still cry. It's horrific. Most kids have similar reactions -- anxiety, guilt, sense of remorse, but parents speak them through it justifying it.

by that logic lions, and every other predator are murders. Humans are omnivores, our bodies are designed to run on meat and plants. Choosing to eat one or the other is wrong for the body.

 

causing unnecessary harm by taking too long to kill an animal is wrong, killing for the sake of killing is wrong as well as wasting what you kill.

Predator eats prey, prey eats plants, omnivore can eat either. The cow, deer, pig, chicken whatever is going to die and get eaten regardless of weather it is by humans or by another animal.

 

I love animals far more than I love humans, which is why I don't ignore the facts of life and biology, I get where you are coming form but it is irrational

[Hurndauke]

Well said.

[Child Of Light]

Humans where acutally fruitsterians from nature. Interesting?

 

If we where meant to eat meat -- we would be able to process it raw. That makes us different from omnivores. We are the only 'omnivores' that can't eat raw food without getting ill. However, we can eat raw veggies.

 

We are causing unneeded harm by killing animals. There is nothing from animal, that we can't get from plant. How is it 'natural' to drink another species breast milk? As well, as a quote from both nhs, aus, and US goverment--- 75 percent of the population is lactose intolerant in one way or another.

 

Again, my point of the thread wasn't to cause debate xx But to share the 'innocence' of a child I find them so adorable.

[Mikaitaku]

false humans can process raw meat although to a limited degree than wild animals.

 

https://www.reference.com/science/differences-between-carnivores-herbivores-omnivores-989acc23d84cbb1d

 

http://www.geek.com/news/geek-answers-why-can-animals-eat-raw-meat-but-we-cant-1593883/

 

http://www.askabiologist.org.uk/answers/viewtopic.php?id=9258

 

the fact that human are the only species that has been able to create and use fire, that has made meat far safer to eat. further more most carnivores eat before the meat has a much of a chance to rot.

 

even apes eat meat, http://www-bcf.usc.edu/~stanford/chimphunt.html

 

 

I don't practically care about what others choose eat I do however care about facts. The fact that the optimum diet for most healthy humans includes meat, we simply don't have the digestive system for an all plant diet. 

[DaddysMonkey]

Hello there !

 

You have asked for what others think on the video(s) you have posted , so here is my view.

 

First of all , I consider myself a "cheatatarian". This isn't an actual term by any means. To me this mostly means I avoid meat as much as I can but I do eat it sparingly , once in a blue moon. As well as sparsely using dairy products or eggs. I also feel bad for animals that are killed for our consumption , especially with some of the foul treatment they receive. On the other hand though , I do not hate meat eaters , or call meat eaters murderers. People have their own religions , cultures , environmental background , as well as family culture that plays into everyone's choices for what they put into their bodies. Not to mention heath reasons people need things in their systems such as meats and others may not. 

 

The first video you linked , was somewhat cute I suppose. It seemed light hearted enough , but it left out very large facts in which I think are important. Yes , there are big plants that are filled with chickens who don't even get to see the light of day. There are also many documentaries of poor treatment of animals and unhealthy regulations that leads to bacteria infected meats among other things. This does not mean that ALL meat comes from these types of places. Not all of the animals killed for human consumption are babies. My grandfather raised his family with a small farm and livestock. He had pigs , goats , and chickens. The two pigs he had , he raised them from the time they were babies and they had very happy lives and DID in fact get to frolic and play. The chickens were not even killed , they were happy and laid eggs naturally. They weren't ever abused or shoved into cages. The goats were also never killed , they were used for their milk when it naturally came. The only time they were killed is if one of them was so unhealthy that it would lead a miserable and uncomfortable life. I think telling a young child that all animals killed are babies and are treated this poorly is not fair and creates a fear , and like you stated traumatizing affect. Even with having this background on my family , and eating meat for a long time as a kid I came to my own decisions on what I would put in my body and meat was not one of those things. Like most people do. I believe if you want to give a child a fair chance at having their own opinions every side of the story and all facts have to be shown , not just small pieces here and there that gain benefit to your own personal causes , like making your child into a Vegan because that is what you would LIKE them to believe. It is very nice that the video wasn't extremely graphic like most documentaries covering this topic are but I think it is missing a lot of different angles that would give someone , especially a child , a fair chance to make an educated and personal choice for themselves. I think this is no different than pushing a bible in a child's lap and not letting them learn about other angles before hastily making a choice that their parents ultimately made for them. Like a post above said , there are many children who are taught about healthy and happy living animals who are respected and appreciated for the food they provide when cooking and making them. (Much like blessed lambs before being killed and eaten in religious cooking.) I really don't like eating meat whether or not it lived a happy long life.. or whether or not it was "humanely" killed. But I am not a child , so I am able to have all of these facts and vast sources of information unlike a kid. On another note , something that I think is greatly overlooked is blood type. There is scientific proof that some humans do NOT need meats , and others will actually whither away from not having red meats or irons from meat.

 

https://www.drlam.com/blog/blood-type-diet/16865/

 

This link is a scientific chart of the different blood types and the suggested healthiest diets for each blood type to have. As I always say my opinion is not end all and be all. I gather information and form my own opinion based on what I find. It is my opinion that SOME humans can in fact live completely without meat.. Other humans need meat whether it is in large or small quantities. I unfortunately need meat , but I am extremely grateful that I do not need it very often let alone "allll the time" so to speak. I can healthily get by on eating fish or chicken once or twice a month. (I choose not to eat pork or beef because it is more likely they are abused animals.) When and if the time comes for me to have meat , I try my damnedest to make sure it is organic , and comes from a loving place where none of the animals have been neglected , hurt or abused. I would hope I am not considered a murderer because of my choices and health , along with not being made fun of for not wanting to eat meat and considering myself an activist for well treated animals. 

 

As for the second video , the little girl was ADORABLE. She was clearly very empathetic , and did not want to hurt the feathery little friends or any other animals. If she has been given enough information by her parents and they know what is healthy for her to eat , I hope she gets to not eat animals ever again. I hope she is healthy and happy , and stays how she is. The little girl in the video was obviously wise for her age and maybe later in her life she'll get to talk more about how she feels about her animal friends feelings.

 

Thank you so much for sharing these videos and your views ! 

Edited January 16, 2017 by Daddysmonkey

[Guest Candy Minx ♡]

i think that if you wanted to share the innocence of a child there were better

video choices, with the way you presented it, i wouldn't have gotten it from

your post without you explaining it. you said you came across a video and

wanted to know what people thought and so, they're expressing exactly what

was asked of them. 

 

anyways, mika was right with what he had to say. i also have to agree that i

love and care for animals far more than i do with humans but even looking at it

from your viewpoint.. ( and again agreeing with what mika said ) animals are

'murderers' as well as cannibals. humans murder humans. ( which is also animal

murdering animals ) i mean.. animals kill for funsies and not just to eat, even

with that life goes on to hand it over to the scavengers. 

 

also i expect children to have those types of reactions to hearing things like that,

children are children and aren't mature or really smart enough to have and

understand all the facts like adults get to, so it's mostly unfair to expose them to

something that could be considered traumatizing. i'm certain i wouldn't want to

show or tell my child that what they're eating was once a living creature until

they're even able to handle that healthily? 

 

and i want to say that i'm not too sure about something like this but, without 

humans rearing off and killing some animals WILL overpopulate and begin to

destroy, turn into pests - in the absence of predators certain animals would grow

and grow and eat away at all the resources and it'd turn into a giant sad

picture for everyone where the population crashes. not all animals stop breeding

when there are little resources and limited space, kinda like humans. 

 

and at the end of the day, let's not forget that humans are animals as well. so..

it's just life. 

[Child Of Light]

I wanted people's opioion on that type of vonurbility. However, I will point out false information. It's a huge trigger. Because living things are dying because of this

 

The problem with what Mika said is faulty logic. Conervrois and omervoius, can process large amount of raw meat because of their PH in their slivia kills the food born illneesss. It doesn't kill all - but protects them from most. Humans, would be the only ones in those groups that couldn't or don't have that high of PH level.

 

The China study has show those whose who basically ate all fruit and veggies lived longer. As well as if you search the lower amount of cancer in vegan.

 

As humans, we try to boost how much smarter, educated, humane, and more empathetic. If we where so advanced - and could visably see that we could substation life without senseless murder - why can't we? Saying, animals do it is a co-out. We can choose to take part in suffering. I'm in awe, that most kids would choose not to. Somewhere down the line we all loose humanity to partake in it (yes, I've been guilty too).

 

And no, we don't need to kill animals so they would overpopulated us-- that wouldn't happen....stopping eating meat would end world hunger, have more room for human population:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/voices/five-things-would-happen-if-everyone-stopped-eating-meat-a6844811.html%3Famp?client=safari

Edited January 16, 2017 by Child Of Light

[cuppycakes]

And no, stopping eating meat would end world hunger, have more room for human population: https://www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/voices/five-things-would-happen-if-everyone-stopped-eating-meat-a6844811.html%3Famp?client=safari

If you're going to use a reference, be sure to check your sources. This source is extremely... um... not good. This is what it says about the author: "Mimi Bekhechi is director of animal welfare charity PETA."

 

However true you believe the information to be, when presenting evidence you should always use a trustworthy source.

 

(I also wanted to add something about deer! I love deer and I actually don't eat venison, but I know that where I live, if we didn't kill deer then we would have them everywhere. On my way to school every day it was rare when I didn't see a few "roadkill" on the side of the road but I can't even imagine if we didn't hunt. We wouldn't be able to go on some of the roads for fear of our lives! In that sense it is very much necessary to kill animals, or else we would just kill them with cars in a much less safe and humane way. I'd rather deer die than deer AND people. And believe me, they're not endangered, no matter how much hunting happens.)

 

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your opinion and I believe everyone is entitled to their own, I just wanted to share my thoughts when I read your post

 

 

On another note , something that I think is greatly overlooked is blood type. There is scientific proof that some humans do NOT need meats , and others will actually whither away from not having red meats or irons from meat.

 

https://www.drlam.com/blog/blood-type-diet/16865/

 

This link is a scientific chart of the different blood types and the suggested healthiest diets for each blood type to have. As I always say my opinion is not end all and be all. I gather information and form my own opinion based on what I find. It is my opinion that SOME humans can in fact live completely without meat.. Other humans need meat whether it is in large or small quantities.

If you're going to present information as "scientific" then you should probably use a different source. The chart presented isn't really scientific, and there's actually no evidence on the page at all. It just says "this one doctor says it's true" instead of "he did this study with a large group of people on the diet, for ___ amount of time as well as with a control group".

 

Personally I just looked up "eat right for your type debunked" and found a plethora of results. You can have your own opinion, but I just wanted to mention that if you're going to present information to help your case, an article like this one will only probably hurt it. Maybe find one that discusses a study done that proves the claim to be true that'd be interesting and factual!

 

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your opinion and I believe everyone is entitled to their own, I just wanted to share my thoughts when I read your post

 

ALSO I just chose your two links because they interested me the most, so i didn't check out any other links. However, I'm willing to bet that a lot more of them are also not... um... the most accurate or scientific. I'm not trying to pick a fight, just saying what I think! Interesting thread.

[Child Of Light]

My sources don't come from peta but from: http://www.unep.org/resourcepanel/Portals/24102/PDFs/PriorityProductsAndMaterials_Report.pdf PETA just rewrote the article. The UPEN is a very reliable source. Edited January 16, 2017 by Child Of Light

[DaddysMonkey]

If you're going to use a reference, be sure to check your sources. This source is extremely... um... not good. This is what it says about the author: "Mimi Bekhechi is director of animal welfare charity PETA."

 

However true you believe the information to be, when presenting evidence you should always use a trustworthy source.

 

(I also wanted to add something about deer! I love deer and I actually don't eat venison, but I know that where I live, if we didn't kill deer then we would have them everywhere. On my way to school every day it was rare when I didn't see a few "roadkill" on the side of the road but I can't even imagine if we didn't hunt. We wouldn't be able to go on some of the roads for fear of our lives! In that sense it is very much necessary to kill animals, or else we would just kill them with cars in a much less safe and humane way. I'd rather deer die than deer AND people. And believe me, they're not endangered, no matter how much hunting happens.)

 

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your opinion and I believe everyone is entitled to their own, I just wanted to share my thoughts when I read your post

 

If you're going to present information as "scientific" then you should probably use a different source. The chart presented isn't really scientific, and there's actually no evidence on the page at all. It just says "this one doctor says it's true" instead of "he did this study with a large group of people on the diet, for ___ amount of time as well as with a control group".

 

Personally I just looked up "eat right for your type debunked" and found a plethora of results. You can have your own opinion, but I just wanted to mention that if you're going to present information to help your case, an article like this one will only probably hurt it. Maybe find one that discusses a study done that proves the claim to be true that'd be interesting and factual!

 

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your opinion and I believe everyone is entitled to their own, I just wanted to share my thoughts when I read your post

 

ALSO I just chose your two links because they interested me the most, so i didn't check out any other links. However, I'm willing to bet that a lot more of them are also not... um... the most accurate or scientific. I'm not trying to pick a fight, just saying what I think! Interesting thread.

 

The link I posted may not be "scientific" in your opinion because it is not a scientist that came up with this , but a doctor. The chart itself is in fact a scientific chart. The definition of a scientific chart :

 

 A map showing coastlines, water depths, or other information of use to navigators. An outline map on which specific information, such as scientific data, can be plotted. A sheet presenting information in the form of graphs or tables.

 

Specifically , "An outline map of which specific information , such as scientific data, can be plotted. A sheet presenting information in the form of graphs or tables."

 

Yes , one doctor may think this , (it's not just one doctor by the way) but that does not take away from the fact that is in all actually and quite literally a scientific chart. Also in which carries specific information that a doctor has gathered by scientific experiments. Blood types are proven to show what you need to ingest. This of course does not mean everyone has to believe it but like you said.. If you want to put links up you should know what they are. I know what I posted , so maybe you as well should know what you are saying is not or is before posting it ^-^ 

 

You said yourself , 

"he did this study with a large group of people on the diet, for ___ amount of time as well as with a control group".

 

Do you know what that is ? The sentence you wrote ? It is the actions taken to test a scientific theory. It starts with a prediction , followed by study and finished with displayed results most often using ..... A scientific chart.

 

Just felt the need to clarify since my post was one of the ones being picked apart and pointed out.. It is indeed scientific and have stated something yourself that proves that. A lot of different theories have been "debunked" by other doctors or scientists , while many others find it to be very truthful based on the outcome of the tests. To each their own , but it doesn't take away from the fact that blood type based needs are in fact scientific. 

 

Thanks.

Edited January 17, 2017 by Daddysmonkey

[Sneakylittle]

[Guest aphroditelaughs]

I do think it's important to point out that meat was consumed by Indigenous people for thousands of years without many of the health problems people have now. It was also consumed sustainably - the impacts on the environment come from the sheer amount we produce and subsequently waste. Colonization and industrialization are insidious processes.

 

Meat itself is not the problem. It's the disconnect from food that most of us have. It's also the larger industries.

 

And if we want to talk about cruelty we must acknowledge human rights abuses behind use of migrant labor, production of so-called superfoods like quinoa, etc.

[ThePoet]

"All life is equally precious, so I only eat plants." You know plants are alive, right? What are you going to do? Eat rocks? Do whatever you want. Edited December 14, 2017 by daddypapadada

[Guest Arc]

I'm a relatively new vegetarian, but I have no problem with meat eaters. It's their choice and their life, but I do believe moderation is needed when it comes to mean consumption. Meat isn't a problem - people are. They consume more than needed and waste a lot. 

 

Like all things, meat is unhealthy when over processed and consumed out of moderation. Many meats today are so processed and have all kinds of things done to them, and some people eat so much of it.I know in many places people eat meat with nearly all meals. So part of why meat is seen as unhealthy is how we eat, not what we eat. Also... there is a lot of waste these days.

 

I like the old way of doing things - taking only what you need and no more, and use all you can.

[Guest pacibrat]

I just saw a picture the other day of a man saving a rabbit from the California fires.  There were sooooo many comments on that pic like, "my faith in humanity is restored".  It's like, what?????  I mean, don't get me wrong, the rabbit should have been saved and it was a noble thing, BUT these are people (the majority of them anyway) who consume brutally factory farmed animals THREE TIMES A DAY.  Animals who are murdered in their name. One animal's life isn't more valuable than any other animal.  The disconnect, and hypocrisy, is real.